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Web Wednesday Guangzhou July: Tim Haynes of Digital China Guide talks about Digital Ecosystem in China

Thursday, July 30th, 2009

Tim Haynes, founder of Digital China Guide and GM of Starcom IP China was our guest speaker at Web Wednesday Guangzhou July was held at The Paddy Field, Guangzhou on 29 July. Turnout was considerably good taking into consideration that our event notices were usually communicated via Facebook, which has mysteriously become not accessible in our location since few weeks back.


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Tim’s topic focus was around what he coins the Digital Ecosystem - consisting of Internet and Mobile devices. Everything has relevance with everything else, and audiences seamlessly move around the ecosystem model. In recent years, there is huge amount of change in the digital China landscape. The digital marketing industry has moved from websites to web spaces, from media placement to digital investment (media cost+digital investment management cost). Tim identifies the 3 digital drivers in marketing to be Audience, Creativity, and Technology.

Tim revealed interesting facts about the Digital China Landscape:

  • 2/3 in china go online to talk, share and stay in touch, 80% describe the web as social.
  • Chinese are 3 times more likely to publish a blog, 2 times more likely to review a product, and 3 times more likely to use chat rooms than US counterparts.
  • A lot of people keep the same blog on different sites and put upthe same content on all of them.
  • Blogs in China are unlike a country such as the United States, where journalists are discouraged from blogging, in China journalists use blogs to write without being edited and censored.

The power of social media rooted in trust. According to research by Edelman China in 2007, Chinese netizens have the highest trust in web-based media, followed by foreign mainstream media, local mainstream media, and bloggers. The statics with regards to foreign mainstream media might have altered since then but the trust in web-based media, should still be on the rise.

Tim concluded by talking about the hot trends in China, namely Online Games, Instant Messaging, Bullletin Boards Systems, Connections, Sharing, & Expression, 3G Mobile, Verticalization/Segmentation of content and content readers, and the Measurement/Standardization of online video.

Some Q&A excerpts (paraphrased):

Q: I work in a chinese factory. The factory managers knows nothing about the Internet while the office girls are all on QQ.

Tim: Yes the Chinese Internet audience is quite young. Most of them come from tier 1 and tier 2 cities, and are often over-represented because they are very active. In the other tier cities, online penetration is not huge yet but they are slowly coming online now. When we have the MASS coming on (perhaps in 1-2 years), we will see bulking over of online audiences.
 

Q: What effect would the Green Dam have on the digital China landscape?

Tim: It’s a bit of a crystalball-gazing about where it’s going, whether it’s going to come or not. I don’t really know enough to comment.
Lonnie: What I do know is that the schools are mandated to have it.
 

Q: I (work in the Dutch Consulate) know many dutch companies who want to sell in china, but find it hard to find a good
distributor in Guangdong and other Chinese regions. There is so much diversity in business and culture that act as obstacles
to success. What is the right way to do it on the Internet? Can you give 3 tips for foreign companies who know nothing about
China, on how to be successful here?

Tim: There’s some basic business acumen involved but beyond that, trust is significant element. Taobao is a good example of an extremely successful company. They employ trust mechanisms - such as Instant Messaging customer service, and user product reviews. However, the best way is to have people on ground, localise, and go beyond localisation. For instance with GE, they calling China their second home. More than localisation, it is adaption. So jump on to AliBaba, pick up phone, have someone locally make a connection. Localisation is the way forward.
 

Q: I think biggest failure one country one market, even when it’s actually like the whole world again.
Tim: There are so many multiple tier 1 cities that are different from rest of the tiers. And even within that there’s huge segmentation. It’s a mistaken mentality of companies to think there is one China. Digital is about understanding segmentation, when they get more data abut segmented audiences, they will realise how unique and diverse and huge China is, and learn how to manage it.
 

Q: I recently read that Tencent QQ, have post huge rising profits. what is it that they’re selling? Little online trinkets? little avatar clothes? How does it work?

Lonnie: It’s like the economy on SecondLife. If SecondLife’s economy could be compared with the real world economy, it would be the 12th largest economy in the world. On your question on how it works and what they sell, go ask a Chinese person in the pub. They’ll tell you :)

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@lonniehodge, @digitalchina, @alexonboard, @enedhilwen, @adeh, @hrjrex, @manavg, @junde, and more. (let us know..)

Rex Huang (@hrjrex of Techsailor) remarked that Tim’s Digital Ecosystem draws parallels to the 史玉柱’s 海陆空 model. Now he has heard from a both a local and foreign perspective and has better understanding of the ecosystem.

Photo credits: Cecilia Li and Johnny Jack

Web Wednesday Guangzhou July Montage by Johnny Jack, Cecilia Li

Web Wednesday Guangzhou July Montage by Johnny Jack, Cecilia Li



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Web Wednesday Guangzhou Highlights: June 09 featuring David Ketchum, founder of Asia Digital Marketing Association

Saturday, June 27th, 2009

The 1st anniversary of Web Wednesday Guangzhou was held at The Paddy Field, Guangzhou on 24 June, with guest speaker David Ketchum, founder of Asia Digital Marketing Association.

The Web Wednesday Guangzhou audience at The Paddy Field

The Web Wednesday Guangzhou audience at The Paddy Field

Turnout was sizeable and punctual. Some of that motivation might have come from Web Wednesday Hong Kong founder - Napoleon Bigg’s sponsor of free beer for the first 50 thru the door.

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David Ketchum at Web Wednesday Guangzhou

David Ketchum at Web Wednesday Guangzhou

David started by summarising the findings of the ADMA 2009 Yearbook (Available for download here), with an overview the Asia Pacific trends in online user behaviour, online advertising, mobile and e-commerce.

Some interesting data include:

  • 32% of Asian users say the online advertising they saw “significantly increased” their interest in using the brand
  • 82% of Asia’s online ad spending in 2008 was in China, Japan and South Korea.
  • More than 450 million consumers across the region participate in social media websites
  • More than half of Asia’s Internet users visit gaming sites and online gaming with sponsored content is expected to be worth US$6.9 million by 2013.

Lonnie Hodge, the main organiser and host of Web Wednesday Guangzhou, then hosted a Q&A session with David and our audience.

Some Q&A excerpts (paraphrased):

Question: The advent of the IT and Internet is supposed to automate things. We now hear of Dell’s campaign on Twitter, addressing user concerns and help requests at an individual level. We’ve come a long way from getting rid of such labour costs, and now social media seems to be take a step back from automation and back towards manual labour? Is this the way forward?

Answer: There has to be someone out there because dedicated customer service is not something that can be read and replied by a machine. It is interesting, to note how communities of customers take care of each other. On Ebay, you can see that replies in pink are submitted from ebay employees, while other replies from users are not in pink. The community gets together and solves problems. Sometimes when you post a question, say on some iPhone app installation malfunction, someone from the community who had encountered and resolved situation before, might be able to reply quicker. If the reply is stupid, another guy would step in and say that it is a stupid reply. So, there is some efficiency to harnessing the wisdom of crowds, thru interchanges, to provide answers.


 
Question:How can a brand effectively utilise Social Media channels?
Answer: The key idea is to offer something tangible, and to be visible. If a company has the whole checklist package of social media elements (Facebook page, MySpace, groups, microsites, Linkedin, Twitter etc), it still not quality as a digital strategy and presence. The Best Job in the World is a successful case study to look at - they offered users a dream job of a life time to live on a paradise island and get paid good money just to blog about it. And all users had to do was to send in video resumes, which were visible across multiple social media sites. This is contrasted against some ill-conceived campaigns from other companies where publicity efforts were undermined by internal firewalled sections of content, which were only available to paid subscribers.


Question: How are Social media platforms going to make money for themselves, with Google Adsense/Facebook ads, or is there a different way forward?

Answer: I feel strongly that it will be a different way forward. The young generation these days are exposed to hip and traditional forms of digital media marketing, and would mentally edit out any form od advertising element that pops up or is framed up in a part of their frequented social media sites. I believe that the way forward would be the sponsorship of public relations and written content - companies would pay for groups to be setup, grown and maintained by influential online people who can get conversations going.

If I were to look into my crystal ball, I would also think that many of the websites and applications that users are enjoying for free now, would probably go away in time. Most of those apps, which do not have a viable monetizing strategy, and are likely to be phased out.

Other Random snapshots

  1. Lonnie Hodge remarked that he used a form of Internet/Twitter back in 1979. It was a worldwide think tank, that used terminals which brought out on thermal paper, real time conversations with 200 people elsewhere in the world. It cost $1,000 a month back then for such a connection. Back then, Lonnie did not send tweets like “I’m having a sandwich“.
  2. Look who’s here. It’s WeirdChina and WeirdChina Junior.

    WeirdChina & son at Web Wednesday GZ

    WeirdChina & son at Web Wednesday GZ

  3. Some Twitter users present: @lonniehodge, @weirdchina, @mathiaslin, @junde, @adeh, @billyjr, @enedhilwen
  4. Web Wednesday Guangzhou has run a 1 year course with Lonnie Hodge at the helm. He will be taking a smaller (nonetheless significant) role in upcoming sessions, and yours truly, a China Web Consultant would be stepping up.
  5. Photo credits by our official Web Wednesday Guangzhou photographer Cecilia Li

    Snapshots by Cecilia Li

    Snapshots by Cecilia Li

Aims of the ADMA
David also elaborated on the aims of ADMA as a non-profit organisation: ADMA brings together industry professionals, as well as enthusiasts, on to a same page for knowledge and experience sharing. The digital media strategists and providers, as a well-organised group, would interact the corporations who but are apprehensive about spending big dollars on relative unknown publicity zones. The synergy and interaction within the group also prepares them well to face the next big things in the industry.

The ending note
Near the end of the Q&A, David asked the audience if there was anything they had seen online that has really impressed and gotten their attention. This was Web Wednesday Guangzhou’s first year anniversary. David expressed hope that at our second anniversary next year, everyone would be able to instantly recall prominent examples of impressionable digitial media content they had come across in their daily lives. That would be affirmation for the aims of the non-profit ADMA organisation, that the industry and audience in Asia have moved forward with the times.

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Previous Web Wednesday Guangzhou Report (May 09 Catalyst Night) here.